Racer-boys Take Notice : Proton Satria R3 launched

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Proton Motorsports soft-launched the much-anticipated Limited Edition Proton Satria R3 over the weekend at Pasir Gudang, Johor. The Satria R3 is set to be in the market on October 17 at 3 selected Proton Edar offices in the Northern, Southern and Central regions of the country.

This exclusive road-legal track car will only see 150 units in production, and I am sure will be snapped up in no time! A claimed 0-100km/h time of 8.6 secs and a top speed of 205kmh is plenty fast, although some may have anticipated better specs.

The goodie list is enough to impress – a reinforced chassis with front and rear tower brace bars, performance-tuned suspension system with bigger front roll bars, front and rear ventilated, cross-drilled and slotted disc brakes and Mintex pads, 16″ Advanti alloy rims with delicious Yokohama Advan Neova AD07 tyres, Momo Tuner steering, Recaro SR4 sport seats and other R3 exclusive goodies!

I am pleasantly surprised with the inclusion of ICE, air-conditioning and almost full trimmings as I thought they would have been excluded to further lighten the car.

I am disappointed though at the black exterior body colour – “Incognito Black”, as it isn’t the competition white adorned by the original R3 vehicles, as previously reported.

All in all, a good effort. I think I am tempted to get my hands on one, if I can! Yums!

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  • <![CDATA[Anonymous]]>

    Hi dude,

    For the one is commented about have Proton engineering department has figure about the holes drilled and slotted on the brake rotor and did they taper the holes.

    This question you better post it to DBA Australia because the rotor is taken from them. The one used in R3 are DBA Gold Cross drilled and slotted.

    The question I think you should ask is “Did Proton R3 department re-map the ABS to make use of the uprated brake parts ?” As if the rear brake can dissapate the heats better should they have put 50:50 to 70:30 (Rear:Front brake balance) brake pressure for light to moderate braking pressure during trail braking to reduce dive. Not sure yet until I drive one. So Vernon is there any difference between the normal GTi and R3 brake balance ?

    To check out and compare how the brake behave different differently probably the best car I would suggest that you might source one easily is a BMW E46 325 and above. It only put more pressure to the front when you really need it ie: need more weight to be shifted to the front during heavy braking to increase front tyre patch pressure.

    Check it out.

    Regards,
    William

  • Anonymous

    Hi William,

    Thanks for the comment. FYI, the SR3 does not come with ABS as stock. And yes, the brake biasing has been tuned. In fact, the brakes are the least to worry about on the SR3, coz its fantastic. The Mintex 1144s work extremely well with the DBAs. 100-0kmh in 38metres. That’s pretty darn good. The brakes have been tried and tested at the track. I can attest that it holds well, no signs of fade even under hard braking for many laps.

    For FF drives, brake balance is usually 70:30. Not wise to be 50:50 unless you want it to be really tail happy.

    If there is something they should change as stock, is the clutch.

  • <![CDATA[SPEEDkenny]]>

    ahahahahaha
    yeah i didnt know about it until i saw it just now and i was wondering if crash is u..

    so coincidence..
    check on r3, found ur site,
    surfing zth saw crash’s signature with v.blog and now on ur site…again to check if u r crash..
    and yes u r…
    ahahah….
    i am in there too…

    see… i know everyone who loves car will be in zth.. ahahahah…

  • <![CDATA[SPEEDkenny]]>

    great discussion…
    join http://www.zerotohundred.com to have more instant discussion but i think u all will be 1 of the forummers there right? cos you all have great knowledge or cars…or all cars enthusiast knows about it.
    if not no harm checking it out cos it’s a great site!

    http://www.zerotohundred.com

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I am on ZTH. Been a member since forever. My nick’s Crash. You can look me up 🙂 Pretty active there.

  • <![CDATA[Anonymous]]>

    hi vernon,
    i don;t know when everybody did their post but this is mine regarding the r3.i have seen it in action a month back at sepang. there was a convoy of r3. and i have to say this- they are slow on the track. in its claimed advertisement, it said that it will do 2min55secs. but i didn’t even see one of them clock below 3mins. just to let you know that if you could ever clock it below 3mins in your r3 let me know.

  • Anonymous

    hey anonymous,

    I do not know of any SR3s on track a month back, as there is no official/unofficial gathering at Sepang. We will be having a closed session with Lotus club this weekend.

    The 2m 55s was done none other than Tengku Djan. A GTi would do around 3m 03s.

    Look at it this way, Djan is a trained race driver, and we the normal riceboys cannot even dream of making those times. The SR3 has more than proven its worth, but ultimately it depends who’s at the wheel. 🙂

    Besides, track days aren’t for ‘racing’ per se. More a track experience. 🙂

    I’ll try an get some times if I can this weekend. Not that I am a good driver. Hehehe. Would be happy to just dip under 3mins.

  • <![CDATA[Anonymous]]>

    Hi Vernon,

    I appreciate the URL you gave. Its always great to be able to pull in more information from any source/s even though I may agree or disagree.

    Actually after I read Motorman’s advice, I did a few key searches on his advice and there are people who are disagreeing with motorman. Most are questioning the figures ie pressure that will help seal the rings in and that information is devoid at motorman’s site.

    So I would be a bit careful cause maybe we don’t really need to ram the engine when new plus we have to also make sure the gearbox sets in beautifully and also the temperature of the engine which can effect the internals too. So its not just as simple as turn key in car and full throttle all the way.

    Based on that, I will not do it to any car I have until everyone (ie majority) start advising the same as Motorman. call me a chicken, a coward.. but after spending my life saving on a car (expensive in malaysia), I am going to make sure anything I do to it, must be tried and proven. No hearsay bullcrap for me.

    Man you look after your car better than me. I service my car once every 10,000km using mobil 1. You do it every 5-6000km. Good stuff!. I just don’t have the time to spend taking my car for frequent servicing.

    In UK I used to put only about 12,000 miles on my car and using the car service indicator, that used to be ONCE a year service for me. More time on the road and off. I hate when the car has frequent visits to the service place. It reflects badly on car ownership and the quality. What about you? Do you mind wasting your precious hours at PESC just for the simplest of jobs.

    What irritates me is the pace they work at. Even a sloth will be jealous that there is another animal out there thats even slower than itself. This one time, the guys were working on cars ever so slowly and another guy brings in goreng pisang. One by one they took their share, walked over to the cars they were working on and ate, then continued to work on the cars. Now we know why when we go to pick the car up at 5:30pm, the seats are dirty, the steering wheel is oily, etc. Best part is, the service manager was one of the participants in sharing in this local delight in front of his subordinates.

    Got to run. We are waiting anxiously with you for your R3. So much of anticipation.

    regards
    ERIC

  • <![CDATA[Anonymous]]>

    Hi Vernon,

    Thanks for the URL. Me along with some of my motor-friends will be looking into this.

    I read through it but I must say, I am not too sure this is really applicable. For a start our Protons Satria are 12 years old design cars… from engine to body work. The web site says this break in procedure came about due to the new technologies that car manufacturers are using…Quote “The biggest factor is that engine manufacturers now use a much finer honing pattern in the cylinders than they once did. This in turn changes the break-in requirements, because as you’re about to learn, the window of opportunity for achieving an exceptional ring seal is much smaller with
    newer engines than it was with the older “rough honed” engines.”

    And; Quote “Due to the vastly improved metal casting and machining technologies which are now used, tight parts in new engines are not normal. A manufacturing mistake causing a tight clearance is an extremely rare occurrence these days. But, if there is something wrong with the engine clearances from the factory, no amount of gentle running will fix the problem.”

    He could be right if say you were buying a brand new Merc, NSX, Porsche, etc… car built in 2004 with new manufacturing technology. But what are we buying? Engine 4G93 from the early 90’s. Somehow I don’t think the hard-run it is advisable. Better to stick to the OLD method of Gentle run-in but that’s my $0.02 worth. Its your ‘babe’ and you are free to try what ever you want.

    Point to consider. I am sure hardly many people will use the Gentle break in methodology on their long awaited GTi. Most will use the hard-run in courtesy of Proton Service Center technicians as Motorman put it, “adrenaline crazed set – up mechanic”. Yet we have numerous emails in forums who complain their car power is down, engine rough, not so good… etc. If the engine was hard run in, then by logic, we all should be driving around in super set engines.

    I have run-in my cars from the 80’s according to the Gentle approach and when done, those cars seemed to have the best engine response when old especially in the mid to high-end. The ones that I never got a chance to do, they were usually of average or below average in performance.

    Anyway just for the record, here is my usual break-in.
    1km to 1000km: Take it easy. No Full Open throttle on 1st and 2nd gear. Max revs, 2/3 of Redline rpm. Use varying speeds and gears so highway driving is out.

    1000km: Change engine oil and filter. Get rids of all metal bits. I do this at this point because I once read that car manufacturers used to put in some additives into the oil when new. So that’s why I used the original oil for 1000km. At change, Mobil 1 goes in and remains the choice of oil from that day forwards.

    1001km to 3000km: generally increase the throttle opening for all gears but never rev above 2/3rpm of the red line. I.e. red line is 6000, I keep to about 4000 (roughly). Use the time to get to know my car well.

    3000km: Bin oil and filter. Fresh blood of Mobil 1.

    3001km to 5000km: The fun begins…. Like when you are with a virgin the first time. Everything comes in stages and the waiting is worth all the tries, for the anticipation only heightens your excitement to levels never imaginable. ?
    Now I will increase the rpm in 500 bands. So it’s up to 4500rpm for a week. Then up to 5000rpm, then 5500rpm.. and so on. Next thing you know the car will be doing the red line in all gears.

    5000km: Oil change and filter. Mobil 1 goes in. Gearbox oil is changed. Next Oil service will be at 10,000 km. I service my cars every 10,000km… sorry let me rephrase that. I service my protons every 10,000km by using synthetic oils. Other cars these days that you buy the service period is extended due to better building technology. …(if I am not mistaken, the Volvo S40 T4 calls for an oil service every 12,000 MILES or roughly equal to 19,000km and we are taking of using normal engine oils). Its all about easy ownership and spending less time and money at a service centre.

    So there, that’s what I tend to use. I am sure its hog-wash to lots of people but like I said, its my view, my method and I like it. I am sure lots of people will disagree with it but hey, it worked for me and I like it. Each man to his own. ?

    Anyone wants to knock it, .. go ahead but its not going to change my mindset at this time and a few pictures of pistons are not going to alter it at all either. Motorbikes revs are very high as compared to our cars. Yes I am sceptical about Motorman’s procedure. For me, why change what ain’t broken..!

    Cheers Vernon.

    Regards
    ERIC

  • Anonymous

    Hey Eric,

    I thought the URL might give you a different perspective of running-in a car, regardless of what’s the norm or advised by a car manufacturer. I remain a skeptic of Motorman’s methods, due to the fact that he has “used the methods on over 300 engines”. 300 engines? That’s worrying.

    In any case, I would have to agree with you on your comments that newer, modern engines are applicable, not our dear old 4G93Ps, even though I’m sure over the 12 years, they have improved the cast iron block somehow. :/

    I will be using Q8 Oils which I am confortable and confident in at 1000km. And of course at the 3000 + 5000 intervals. I usually service with full-syn at less than 10,000kms, mostly at 5-6000kms actually.

    Thanks for the advise. Appreciate it. Cheers.

  • <![CDATA[Anonymous]]>

    Hey Vernon,

    We are all waiting for you to get your car. Then give us the run down. I carry my GTech (of late) in my car all the time now. So you are most welcome to test our R3 with it when I am in KL, which will me practically every weekend. Can meet me at Bangsar.

    As for dyno your car, well I wouldn’t really unless its at a reliable place where the equipment is working well. Puts a lot of stress in the car especially when the engine is new.

    If you get your car weighed accurately (weighbridge used for lorries), then we can plug the figure into the Gtech and you do a 3rd pick-up to the red line. Unit will give the bhp at wheels. Its fairly accurate but the problem is weighing the car. I would do it with you and a full tank of petrol.

    If you got any lubang to get the car weighed, let me know because I want to do it for my GTi and Waja too. I would like to know how many horses are pulling my carriage and are they Stallions or mules?

    BTW, are you going to run in your car engine? ie take it below 4000rpm for the first 3000 miles and then slowly break the engine in by increasing revs by 500rpm weekly until the red line is reached.

    I do that with all my cars and I’ve had a good engine years on except my GTi. That one, the guys at the dealership and the person that drove the car from the factory to PJ, did the job for me. It must have been 7500 revs as soon as the engine started life and that explains why I have such a crappy 4G93P in my S(nail)GTi. Thanks you BASTARDS FOR RAPING MY VIRGIN CAR and not allowing me the ‘first night’.!!!!!

    Ok, get your car soon and the GTech is yours to borrow when you like.

    regards
    ERIC

  • Anonymous

    Many are waiting to see the car. Isn’t that wierd? Especially skeptics. But this is a good thing, really.

    Anyways, thought you might want to look at this:
    http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

    Contrary to what we all believe is the correct way of breaking/running-in an engine.

    Thanks for the GTech offer, will definitely do some runs!

  • <![CDATA[Anonymous]]>

    Hi Vernon,

    I have been digging deeper in to this. Recently I was wondering why the motorsport team decided to use ALCON brake instead of say, AP racing or Brembo which would be the ‘norm’ for good braking.

    Ok Alcon does brakes for F1 car but when I visited the website I realised that they will do the design, research for any brake system you may want.

    ie if I had a 1.3 Satria and wanted a good brake system,.. assuming I had all the money in the world for this… I could call up Alcon, send a car to them and hey presto… after awhile, i will have a set for my car. Some brains from our local guys gone into this one? I doubt it very much. I think they just left it to the EXPERTS to Research and decide. But hey, I could be wrong. Maybe our proton engineers actually did the research, tested many products, put car through various test and on track until they decided that ALcon was the best. (giving them benefit of the doubt)

    As for marketing, well we all like to market ourselves especially when we try and steal the heart of a beautiful lady. So I have nothing against marketing trying to make something look better than it is. Where I draw the line is when the marketing begins to vomit out lies.

    Proton (uk site) still claims the GTi can do 0-60mph in 7.8 secs. Pardon me Proton folks but I beg to differ in that figure. I even wrote to the UK website and told them that those figures are misleading. Advertising FRAUD is wrong.

    No one will bother is Honda tries to perk up their Type R with some extra toppings when they advertise the car. We all know its already there. But when Proton try to make a 15 year old car out to be a TypeR killer… I begin to laugh. I think you know what I mean.

    Actually i would love to test the R3, especially when there is a new group around and I get interviewed about the test. I will give the true picture of it… be it good or bad. With my ingenious G-Tech plugged in, I will spit out the figures so everyone will know how it really performs.

    And its no use saying that the R3 can lap a track better than the GTi if they don’t post the track conditions, same tyres used? Or same driver? Same day? same petrol, same… etc

    Hey, last week I put my Waja on the Gtech. Take off was poor (dont want to scrub my rubber) and got a time of 11.06sec. WOW… for a 1.6cc car, single cam… I am impressed. Honest. I think the waja is value for money as opposed to my GTi, and it can touch 210kph maximum speed. Not many standard GTi cars can do that 🙂

    So when is your beast arriving? I sure hope you got a call from Proton at least about some info on the arrival of your new play thing. I can’t wait either for you to get it so you can post your trials, your test, your experience for all of us to read. Info on the R3 is scarce to say the least.

    Take care.

    Regards
    ERIC

  • <![CDATA[Anonymous]]>

    Khairon,

    I agree with you totally. Proton have been too comfortable for too long and they feel they can still go out there and cheat us with their poor quality cars but overhyped marketing.

    Sometimes when I read the advertisments, I feel I am reading that of a different car. Good example is the Proton Edar website containing all the R3 marketing ploy. It looks like the writer was given the ‘real’ SSO car to drive and all his comments were then cut & Paste to the site for the R3.

    Also why bring the SSO car to the lauch of the R3 at pasir Gudang? People will surely get confused and make assumptions on the R3. People will think the two cars are very similar etc. Thats why if you surf the web for info on R3, there are many misleading stuff. Some people even think the car has double welding on the R3. I wonder if that is true.

    Worse scenario for Proton, after all that hype, the car is sellign poorly. Still got 75 units left when I checked yesterday. Looks as if, as time goes by and people get to know better on the R3, they rather save their hard earned cash and put in on something better or like I have been saying, by a 1.3 black Satria for $42K and put all the same parts on the R3 to the 1.3. Atleast you won’t have that hidious sticker by the side that looks like it was meant for some other car. 🙂

    regards
    ERIC

  • Anonymous

    Proton Edar did call me and actually the first batch of cars are ready. Sorting out my downpayment, then registration, and off we go! Then it would be run-in time, then the SSO on the 4th Dec.

    Would love to borrow your GTech to see how my new baby does. And planning to do a dyno as well.

    Will be sure to let you know when I get the car!

    Cheers mate!

  • Anonymous

    Hey Khairon + Eric,

    Thanks for the comments. Marketing will be marketing will be marketing. Likewise with advertising. Same old bull. You can’t believe everything you see, hear, read.
    Look at how the US manipulates the media. Fine example there. And Proton isn’t the only auto company using marketing as a ‘tool’. Everybody does it. To hype-up a product isn’t wrong. That’s what marketing is all about.

    Having said that, some honesty and accuracy is good. Especially where specs and details are concerned. And yes, Eric, the chassis has been double-welded and reinforced. As much as I want to antagonise Proton with its products, I’m giving it a benefit of a doubt for the R3 product, simply because I believe that the team assembled for Proton Motorsports are the best of the best (in Proton at least) – whether chassis engineers, R&D, marketing, etc…

    Don’t believe all the hype. Don’t. But dig deeper, ask questions, test the car. Proton needs people like the both of you to keep it in check. To progress. To improve.

    Thanks for posting guys. Appreciate the feedback 🙂

  • <![CDATA[Anonymous]]>

    Vernon,
    I’ve read your report on the R3, I do agree with some of the readers. Proton should’nt talking crap when its come to the actual product.Proton should be honest in doing their marketing, DO NOT SELL WHEN YOU CANNOT DELIVER WHAT YOU PROMISE.. for instance, the GEN-2 CAMPRO engine, its just merely stickers when in turn they should deliver the real VVT engine, the same thing goes to the R3, they shouldnt do the blindfolded marketing strategy to do cover up, they should tell the public the REAL thing. Because we aint that dumb. They have been in a comfort zone for so long, they should wake up!

    Khairon Nizam Zainal
    Petaling Jaya

  • <![CDATA[Anonymous]]>

    Hi Vernon,

    hope you are better now. Yeah.. I know someone (exGTi) who is getting the Avanza too. Still on waiting list. Although you say its for the masses which I do agree, it clearly shows people will open their wallets when they see value for money. We are all the same be it a passion driver or a simple driver. This is something that the marketing folk just don’t get at Proton.

    Rather than trying to help raise the game for the coming AFTA, they seem bend on making it worse. The more people realise that this limited edition game they have is nothing but a few stickers, thinner bumper (saga and wira), the customers are going to be alienated even more.

    I like to think we have a brain and we use information technology these days to ask pertinent questions like, why is it in UK, proton cars can have 3 years full warranty, when we don’t? The cars come off the same production line. Like do they have parts for overseas and then some for local? What gives? And I bet that the Protons are cheaper overseas.

    Coming back to the R3, I guess the few that figured better snap up the car before its too late did so on what I call a heart purchase.. or spur of the moment. But then as news of the car trickled out and people began to question the value for money… some would have decided to buy a GTi and do some for the simple mods like brakes etc. Still have air bag (life saving my friend), got big brudder group out there (SGTi club), same rattles and squeaks in R3 and Gti (my assumption nothing has changed on dashboard parts). So now the numbers are slow.

    I checked it today (morning) and it was 85 cars left. 1 sold over the last 4.5 days. What you think of that? This is terribly slow sales. I wonder if the marketing team expected this. Perhaps the stage 2 limited edition and stage 3 limited edition may never come out if they analyse the sales of this R3 version. (again, I am assuming Proton at a later date will come out with a variant limited edition to the R3 as they have done to the other limited editions).

    Lets see how the remaining 85 units go. I am waiting for you to get your R3 so you can give us some feed back on the car. Will be good to know an indepth view of living with the car rather than a brief test drive.

    Take care, catch you later.

    Regards
    ERIC

  • Anonymous

    Hey Eric,

    Sorry I haven’t replied promptly. Am back into action, but of course, nothing is ever smooth. Sprained my left ankle during futsal. So now I can park in the handicap spot.

    I was at the Avanza launch, and my bro booked one. 15,000 units in 5 days. That’s truly amazing. But its a car for the masses, unlike the R3. But yes, I too, am surprised that they have not been snapped up completely. The first 30 units were pretty quick.

    Proton Edar seems to be crawling where service is concerned. They yet to contact buyers on loans, etc… Strange.

  • <![CDATA[Anonymous]]>

    Hi Vernon,

    Hope you are better now. I was just checking in this thread to see any more new posts. Tiara that has great handling? hmm.. I am sure thats possible since its based on an AX. Plus with a 1.4 engine… that car will surely beat my GTi.

    Listen I wonder if you go to the Proton edar website and check how many R3’s are booked on a daily basis.

    I do that just to see if the car is selling like hot cakes or soggy ones. Out of curiosity, from the 22nd October morning till the 28th this morning, only 3 cars got booked… ie from 88 to 85 units left.

    Find that rather disturbing since they claim this car is truly for the passionate/enthusiastic driver. Goes to show lots of people know about cars and have not rushed to get one.

    I finally managed to get lots of pics from other websites and its interesting to see that they never even bothered to make the dials on the car different. Looks so much like the normal 1.3 cars. I truly don’t get that ideology. After all the trouble to fit parts from the accessory shops why not go and fit those nice lit up dials that I see in the shops. The ones that have a picture of a Nissan skyline on the box.

    And the whole plot falls when you realise that they kept the car ICE, car AC in although they wanted to make it lighter but they omitted the cute little front spot lights that are in the front bumper? Whats with that? Like thats going to add 10 kilos to the car. Better to have dumped the player or spare tire and use a get you home kit instead.

    Somehow this whole car built by passion by motorsport doesn’t add up and that could be one reason why people are not rushing to get it. The GTi some 5k less would be a better bet. I don’t know … just thinking out loud now. I mean if Avanza can sell 500 units in a day (at launch) why can’t this ‘special’ bred R3 get more buyers?

    Proton Edar should remove that front page on their website and not broadcast to everyone how slow sales are going. I for one did not expect it to be this slow.

    regards
    ERIC

  • <![CDATA[Anonymous]]>

    hi vernon. zaihas here. you want handling? why waste money on an R3? get a proton tiara! one of my cars is a tiara made up with Citroen AXGT bits (with 1.4 engine), and I have outplayed any cars up to now at bends with that small devil, with stock suspension. you want to have a Proton that got handling prowess? Forget all this R3 crap. Get a Tiara.

  • Anonymous

    Hi Zaihas. Thanks for posting. It’s one thing to claim the performance of a car until one’s driven or tested it. I will not dispute the handling prowess of your Tiara as you have claimed, because I believe the performance and extent of modding to your car is only limited by the size of your pocket.

    What I do look at is the entire package. And I do believe that the R3 has good handling, having first hand experienced it.

    On the other hand, it still is quite pricey, as some would comment. But I’m looking at the standpoint where I would not need to mod it much more once I have it in my hands, unlike the dollars and sense (*pun intended*) I spend on my Persona to get it up to par.

  • <![CDATA[Anonymous]]>

    I agree with you that handling is important but my point is that it has to all be part of a package. There’s little point in having a great handling car if it can’t pull out of corners fast enough.

    Unfortunately, Proton have a reputation for being over-optimistic with performance figures and I’ve not come across one of their performance variants which performs close to spec. On the matter of the Satria GTI, its well documented in a renowned European car magazine, that an owner sent his car in for a service and was given a loan Satria 1.6i manual, only to find that the loan car outperformed his GTI (tests done with all their sophisticated equipment verified this).

    Anyone will agree that 8.6s for the century sprint is pretty dismal by any performance car standards and when all things are said and done, the bottom line is its because the car does not accelerate well (be it power, gearing etc.). Hence going on Proton’s history to date, I have very little reason to believe that this new car will perform any better and is probably a marketing opportunity more than anything else.

  • Anonymous

    Sigh. You are missing the point. Again, it’s not about straightline speed alone. If I wanted to do drag racing, then obviously the R3 is not a suitable machine. It’s the whole package, the lightweightness, handling, etc. I do understand where you are coming from, but 0-100kmh in 5 seconds doesn’t mean shit to me if it handles like a dud.

  • <![CDATA[Anonymous]]>

    You guys must be the only ones getting excited about a car which does 0-62mph in 8.6s and has a max speed of 205 km/h. A lot of 20 year old cars on the road will easily outclass that kind of performance! How is it every other car manufacturer is actually making progress with their cars bar one??

  • <![CDATA[Anonymous]]>

    Hi Vernon,

    Sorry did not know you are buying the R3. I was looking up some info on the R3 and google brought me to your site. Actually I need to be clear. The SSO cars are a different ball game altogether. My opinion only is directed to the marketing Ploy of the R3. The official website for the R3 makes many claims which would ideally be suited to the SSO but NOT the R3.

    So its unfair for Proton to claim the R3 as a SSC variant but more of a normal GTi or Satria variant with bolt on bits.

    For me, the trick to all that race, rally, research would have been for the engineers to design and source parts locally to make the R3 cost competitive and a dream to drive…eg, if a dog-leg tranny cost 20k in the open market, could proton get a local company to make one at half the cost? Is there a local company to make a LSD for the R3?

    Thats what I call research and the benefit would go to everyone here in malaysia who could then BUY these products for their beloved Wira, Satria, Putra cars and all the credit goes… to the motorsport team.

    I am sending you a mail directly explaining why I feel the R3 is a let down even before driving it, so that you know where I am coming from.

    Anyway, hope you enjoy your car.

    regards
    ERIC

  • <![CDATA[Anonymous]]>

    Hi. I am another reader of the blog posted.

    I have seen how a Gti handles and reacts and beat them countless times. All these mods to the R3 can only up another 20 bhp at most, with better braking, maybe. that is still tough to beat most of the “NA racing/performance” cars out there. I am sure that even a commonly available Citroen ZX can beat an R3 at corners and straights, even highways.

    Vernon, why waste RM70k on Proton’s piece of junk when you can get a used SiR with that price tag? The car is nothing much from specification’s point of view. I will be better off with a first generation Putra (and save $$$). Unless of course if your main interests are looks and accessories. But you don’t need RM70k for those. Get a Satria 1.3 and add in all the bits from accessory shops.

  • <![CDATA[Anonymous]]>

    In my opinion, the R3 is just another sad Rip-Off from Proton. What real Rally, Race and Research went into this? The car doesn’t even have an LSD fitted. A road legal track car..? Then why does it have a CD player. Junk that ICE.

    Where are the adjustable Suspension? Everything fitted on the car is an after-fit item that anyone could buy at your local Accessory shops. What research, design is this? If you do a costing on the car, you will realise that a SMART person would actually go buy a 1.3 SE for $42,000, add all the bits that is on the R3, do an engine change, really strip it down and make it a proper road legal track car. The smart one will still have money in the bank and will own for a truly Limited…ie Individual car.

    The not so smart ones will actually rush out there to buy this R3… yes stand out in the crowd but as a Dimwit who fell for the marketing ploy, a Whimp… a hairdresser. A real driver with passion for cars and driving will never touch this car… I doubt it.

    Anyway that’s my $0.02 worth on the R3.

    eric

    ps: I would really question some of the figures published for this car. Also the quotes found in http://www.racerallyreseach.com really makes me laugh.

  • Anonymous

    Eric,

    It’s perfectly alright to have your opinion on the R3. Feedback like this is important to Proton, in order to constantly improve and progress. I take your comments in good light. No grudges whatsoever mate!

    Yes, you are right. The SSO cars ARE different. But R3 never claimed that their Satria R3 was SSO-spec. It is the success of the SSO cars that inspired the development of the road-going Satria R3 and further models down the road.

    The claims you mention to be specific – is it the 0-100kmh? The top speed? In my opinion, they are quite humble figures, and realistic. Unlike the SGTi which claims 7.8secs!

    The Satria R3 isn’t merely a bolt-on job I don’t think, looking at the quality finish, and the chassis reinforcements that have gone into the production of this car. It isn’t a plain-Jane Satria, nor is it a SGTi. I would like to think it IS a variant, like you mentioned, only better. Which isn’t too bad.

    In any case, I look forward to your email 🙂 Thanks again for your POV!

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the comment fellas. The R3 is inspired by the SSO Putra and Satria (both blazing fast cars!). The R3 isn’t about straightline speed alone. The car handles like a dream, having experienced it first hand last night. It’s zippy, makes my 1.8 Wira feel like a sloth almost, and corners like its on rails.

    It isn’t fair to criticise something that you have not driven, but I guess it is Proton’s fault all these years. The mindset and public perception has not changed. But they are making amends, slowly but surely. R3/Proton Motorsports is one way of showing what can be done.

    It is not 100% race-bred, and therefore ICE and airconditioning is included, some of the comforts of everyday driving. Would you really want a thoroughbred racing car for everyday use? I don’t think so. For that, you can have the SSO Satria, where the dogbox alone costs RM20K.

    The R3 is meant for enthusiasts, and I can safely claim that the R3 team is excited and passionate about doing great stuff, as I am excited getting my car!

    Anyways, you’re welcome to test the car when I get it 🙂

  • Anonymous

    Yes, it will be sold at the price of a standard GTi. At 12pm on the October 17, I’ll be in line to book the R3. A car made by enthusiasts for enthusiasts. I’m so excited. I know a couple of guys in R3 and they are hardcore. Used to be from a clan called Team Matrix – a great bunch of guys.

    If you are a racerboy, racergirl, go get the R3. If you just want styling and comforts of a normal car, don’t get an R3. Strictly for those who like track days and driving fast!

  • Anonymous

    I heard the R3 is going for over RM70K, is that right?

  • <![CDATA[Anonymous]]>

    How much is it? If it’s same price as the normal GTi, then it’s a good buy (relatively speaking).

    For the parts they’ve fitted in, I don’t think it’s going to cost them more than RM5000.00 from their cost. I think they’ll charge a ‘premium’ over the price just so to show exclusivity?

    CRAP!!!

    Strut bar (front and rear).

    Can be bought and installed for a mere RM200. Note Proton’s those fitted on top of the struts, not those race type that protudes into the firewall/connects with the chasis.

    Verdict: Yeah, it does feels more solid/stable, especially over uneven surfaces.

    Wheels

    Just a change of design, not size. Shouldn’t be more expensive I think. But the tires good! *I think*

    Bodykit

    Err… Satria GTi with a patch here and there?

    Ventilated Disc (front and rear) & Mintex Pads

    Drilled and slotted. Hmm… good. But does it goes into proper testing before getting it drilled and slotted. Otherwise, unneccesary stressing of the rotor will occur and crack disc is the result. Note: Did they taper the drilled holes? If a properly thought out modification, they will since it will ‘bite’ the pads if they don’t. Longetivity. Actual stopping power comes from the diameter of the disc. The bigger the disc, the more contact are the pad has, hence more stopping power. Frankly, I don’t see the reason for a ventilated rear disc as majority of the stopping power is provided by the front (especially true for a FWD car).

    Yeah, Mintex pads is good. But as usual, there are many types of pads available from any manufacturer. Road (normal), Fast Road, Road Race, Semis, Race and endurance to name a few. Price and operating temp differs.

    Engine (4G93)

    It’s a good engine, but when you’re making a special, should it be at least more powerful?. At least get it chipped. For a manufacturer, it’s easy because they will have all the settings ready (or atleast have the source to get it from 😉 ). Just a little bit of optimizing fuel/spark will do wonders on a production car. Also optimize the cam profile. No regrind needed. Get some adjustable pulleys and spend some quality time on the dyno will reap good results. Remember this is a very good production engine to begin with.

    Accessories

    All this can be had for some spare change for a car manufacturer. Mass production is the key word.

    Race Ready?

    Hahaha… that’s a funny quote! Very simple way to check if this is the case with any car. Flip the mat and checkout the under carriage. Is all the gunk/tar still there (those stuffs are for sound proofing, or so they claim)? This will show you how serious is a manufacturer is towards this project. This also shows when the car was pulled out from the production line and built with extras (special goodies). I assume in Proton’s case this car was towed from their ready madeinventory and slap some so called goodies on it.

    Note: Honda Type-R doesn’t have this.

    When talking about production specials, a good car/manufacturer to look at is Honda with their Type-Rs. Note the first gen Civic Type-R even have extra chasis bracing!

    Also, does Proton plans to held a one make series in Malaysia? Any restrictions on purchase of the special? Is it in accordance with any motorsport wins?

    Nope? Well, it’s just here to milk you more dough before they face the music come AFTA. You know it’s true since it comes with full trims and even ICE!!! Hahahaha… And prepare to pay shitload of cash/moolah for it.

    Note: Proton is the flimsiest car I’ve ever driven. Firewall was pierced when too much quick shifts is practiced!!! Even a Kancil scored better.

  • <![CDATA[Anonymous]]>

    How much is it? If it’s same price as the normal GTi, then it’s a good buy (relatively speaking).

    For the parts they’ve fitted in, I don’t think it’s going to cost them more than RM5000.00 from their cost. I think they’ll charge a ‘premium’ over the price just so to show exclusivity?

    CRAP!!!

    Strut bar (front and rear).

    Can be bought and installed for a mere RM200. Note Proton’s those fitted on top of the struts, not those race type that protudes into the firewall/connects with the chasis.

    Verdict: Yeah, it does feels more solid/stable, especially over uneven surfaces.

    Wheels

    Just a change of design, not size. Shouldn’t be more expensive I think.

    Bodykit

    Err… Satria GTi with a patch here and there?

    Ventilated Disc (front and rear)

    Drilled and slotted. Hmm… good. But does it goes into proper testing before getting it drilled and slotted. Otherwise, unneccesary stressing of the rotor will occur and crack disc is the result. Note: Did they taper the drilled holes? If a properly thought out modification, they will since it will ‘bite’ the pads if they don’t. Longetivity. Actual stopping power comes from the diameter of the disc. The bigger the disc, the more contact are the pad has, hence more stopping power. Frankly, I don’t see the reason for a ventilated rear disc as majority of the stopping power is provided by the front (especially true for a FWD car).

    Engine (4G93)

    It’s a good engine, but when you’re making a special, should it be at least more powerful?. At least get it chipped. For a manufacturer, it’s easy because they will have all the settings ready (or atleast have the source to get it from 😉 ). Just a little bit of optimizing fuel/spark will do wonders on a production car. Also optimize the cam profile. No regrind needed. Get some adjustable pulleys and spend some quality time on the dyno will reap good results. Remember this is a very good production engine to begin with.

    Accessories

    All this can be had for some spare change for a car manufacturer. Mass production is the key word.

    Race Ready?

    Hahaha… that’s a funny quote! Very simple way to check if this is the case with any car. Flip the mat and checkout the under carriage. Is all the gunk/tar still there (those stuffs are for sound proofing, or so they claim)? This will show you how serious is a manufacturer is towards this project. This also shows when the car was pulled out from the production line and built with extras (special goodies). I assume in Proton’s case this car was towed from their ready madeinventory and slap some so called goodies on it.

    Note: Honda Type-R doesn’t have this.

    When talking about production specials, a good car/manufacturer to look at is Honda with their Type-Rs. Note the first gen Civic Type-R even have extra chasis bracing!

    Also, does Proton plans to held a one make series in Malaysia? Any restrictions on purchase of the special? Is it in accordance with any motorsport wins?

    Nope? Well, it’s just here to milk you more dough before they face the music come AFTA.

    Note: Proton is the flimsiest car I’ve ever driven. Firewall was pierced when too much quick shifts is practiced!!! Even a Kancil scored better.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for your comments. I would like to offer a rebuttal on a couple of key points though.

    Yes, it will be priced the same as a normal GTi, as published in the Race Rally Research forums.

    I am not sure if you’ve seen the R3 cars in action, but these cars are plenty fast and handles like they are on rails. Of course, these are the white ones seen at the SSO/Proton Day events, higher spec-ced no doubt.

    Strut bars + Suspension
    Anyone’s guess on the cost, but strut bars with a properly tuned suspension and re-inforced chassis does wonders to handling. I am pretty confident that the R3 team has got this covered. Tengku Djan, head of Proton Motorsports, is a chassis expert trained at Lotus, and has vast experience in racing. Adian, head of Special Projects, a skillful driver as seen with Team Matspeed previously, is also experience and knowledgeable. The R3 team are hardcore enthusiasts, and committed to performance cars. All I’m saying is that they know what they are doing, and have proven their input in putting together the R3 cars.

    Wheels + Rubber
    The 16″ are Advanti Racing lightweight alloys, not local crap like JRD, AAC, on the likes of the other Proton models. I would think it would cost at least RM2K. The excellent Yokohama Neova AD07s are about RM400 each.

    Bodykit
    You are right about this, as this is mass produced, and brought over from the SGTi.

    Ventilated Discs
    I agree the ventilated discs on the rear is somewhat overkill, as it isn’t exactly a 300bhp powered vehicle. No specs on how large the front discs are, but the Mintex pads supplied are nice.

    Engine
    The post-Mitsu 4G93 is a pretty sturdy block, although it is quite disappointing that the Siemens ECU is being used (post 2000 SGTis use the same chip). Why? Tuning potential. The local tuners still have not been able to tune the Siemens, unlike the previous Mitsu ones (which wierdly enough used on the original R3 Satria + Putra). But the engine has been given a ‘mechanical’ tune, squeezing an additional 10bhp, which is measly, but still an improvement no less.

    Accessories
    There are R3 exclusive trimmings and accessories, but should not cost too much. I do still think quality is key here.

    Race Ready
    To a certain extent it is. Less soundproofing, tuned suspension, reinforced chassis, quality accessories. Yes, I think so. How light? How about 995kgs? Wow.
    Goodies like the Momo Sports Steering (at least RM750), and Recaro SR4(nice!) semi buckets (should be around RM2K each) are fine additions and has lots of street-cred.

    R3 has included ICE and air-con, so this R3 offering is more like an RS version somewhat – performance-driven but still with some necessary comfort elements.

    Not sure of a one-make R3 specific series in Malaysia, but Proton has been actively promoting and organising events recently, and I’m sure they have activities planned in the short/medium term.

    Proton is the flimsiest car you’ve ever driven? I beg to differ coz I’ve driven much much worse, but hey, everyone’s entitled to an opinion! 🙂

    Cheers! And thanks for the comments again!